leaves strongly that resolve on this issue is important to growing the economy. i think there is some reason to believe a consensus can, formed. it may be a narrow one and i think one of the main issues, what do the administration and the advocates want, take martin luther king's approach through civil rights reform, step-by-step or make compromises to get something done with the republicans or insist on everything and say, legislation, we will have an issue in the midterm election. that is one of the big issues. >> chris: you don't think the president and democrats would agree to decide the idea a lot of conservatives suggest of, enforcement and border security first? >> well, that is going to depend on the semantics and the structure, chris. enforcement, sure. i don't think many democrats -- not all democrats -- >> you do that before you move at all on the 11 million -- >> those are details, the question is, what is this timing and metrics used and yes, enforcement but, not saying there is no practical hope of having a permanent status. >> kevin, you saw the group, bipartisan, gang